Navigating Perilous Seas: Lessons Learned from Scary Sailing Moments

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We'll go ahead and get started.

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So first of all, I want to

thank everybody for joining.

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We're going to be going through

this conversation, talk about

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scary moments and lessons learned.

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So I think that one of the biggest

questions that I get all the time from

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people is, what's your scariest moment?

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What's the worst sea conditions?

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All this kind of stuff.

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And I thought it would be fun to just have

other people, share their experiences.

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And most importantly, some of the

lessons learned from those experiences.

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Because we typically don't want

to revisit those experiences that

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we might deem scary or concerning.

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And so we're going to jump into and talk

about some very different topics and

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have different people talking about it.

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There are 2 methods to do that.

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1 of them is to go through and just key

in your message in the chat, and we will

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do our best to answer those questions.

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Or if you like, you're also welcome.

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We also encourage you to, simply

raise your hand and ask the

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question and we will do it verbally.

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This is being recorded.

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Number 1, it will be on YouTube.

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It will also be on the podcast.

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So you will be able to either watch

this or listen to it in the future.

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If you can't make it for the entire show.

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The first one we want to jump

into is leaking escape hatches.

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So this is something I put these

two news clippings up here.

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We're gonna talk about this as

it relates to some of us who have

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experienced this on our boats.

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But just to put this in perspective, you

would think that a escape hatch, if it was

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leaking, shouldn't be this detrimental.

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But these are a couple of recent clippings

of boats that were sunk or partially

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sunk due to escape hatches leaking.

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The one that strikes closest to home

for those of us that were in Annapolis

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a year ago on the left hand side.

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This is the boat that was 3 boats

away from our boat at the boat show.

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They went across outside

North Carolina and that boat.

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Basically sunk because of, or at

least was submerged because of

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leaking escape hatches and the

crew had to be rescued by the U.

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S.

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Coast Guard.

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This over here on the right happened

to be over in the Mediterranean.

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This is a French built boat.

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I think it was a lagoon

and it had leaking hatches.

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This is not unique to any

particular manufacturer.

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It is an issue that can happen with

these different types of escape hatches.

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So Glenn, I think that you are

going to be the one talking through

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a little bit of your experience

with this happening on your side.

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Yeah, fortunately mine is

nothing like that, Mark.

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By the way, I think there was another

incident of a rescue of a catamaran a

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month or two ago in the North Atlantic.

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That happened to be called serenity.

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Did you guys see that news?

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I just saw Marshall posted it.

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We learned that we had some water ingress

coming from one of our, I think it

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was the port side escape hatch during

a During 1 of our earlier passages,

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and we were earlier offshore passages,

and I did some research on that.

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It's contacted the factory.

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Contacted the manufacturer,

which was the French company

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that makes these escape patches.

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Come to find out that, the

lens seal needed to be replaced.

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So I had a contractor in

Martinique do that for me.

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You're off at sea and those hatches

are so close to the waterline.

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It made me really nervous

about going offshore with the

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potential for leaky hatches.

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And I had a company

and Martinique do that.

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And as we were anticipating, a crossing.

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In 2019 across the Atlantic.

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I also did some searching online

and I made a custom wood insert as

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a backup so that if for some reason

the lens in the hatch Really failed

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or the gasket failed and fell out.

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Then I had a plan in place to, basically

block it and clamp it down with a heavy

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duty piece of wood and some gasketing,

thankfully, I never had to deal with that.

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And we finally ended up just

so I could sleep well at night.

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We finally ended up working

directly with Goyote and had the

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hatches shipped to us in the med.

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And I replaced the actual lenses with

their new reinforced hatch lenses.

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So it wasn't the frame in the hull

that, that we pulled out because

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that wasn't the problem child.

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The problem child was the adhesive

that they were using to secure

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the lens to the frame of the lens.

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So they ended up shipping.

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Two new frames with lenses and

reinforced with a different design.

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So that there wasn't any

possibility that the hatches or

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the lenses would actually fall out.

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So after that, I felt great

okay, these are pretty solid.

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We never saw water again.

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But, when you see water

where it shouldn't be.

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And they tell you, as a captain,

you got two jobs, keep the

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people in and the water out.

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So I was failing at one of them

and I had to do something about it.

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And I think, others have

taken similar steps.

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If you haven't, it's

probably worth looking into.

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I think 1 or 2 boats actually have

had their hatches blow out and Tares.

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And I think what you mentioned in

particular about having a template on

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my boat, I have a template with a piece

of plywood that's been cut to fit out

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this bigger than the opening itself.

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And I have.

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With that screws that I keep underneath

each of my beds so I can easily

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access the template that fits there.

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And then I can screw them in with

my gun and with my drill to keep

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them at least semi permanent.

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If that were to happen, but

it's just trying to prevent

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these things that can happen.

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That can cause pretty disastrous problems.

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Does anybody else want to share?

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There is a new design, so I know we

got this question a lot in Annapolis

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this year about what type of escape

hatches are we using on our boat?

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And that has now changed.

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So the new hatches, because of these

issues with the old design, you

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have to actually break the hatch

with a hammer number 1 and number 2.

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They don't open at all.

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So it's you, my hatches will still leak.

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I'll get small leaks because of the

waves pounding it, but I haven't had

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one blow out fortunately, but it is

something that's very scary if it does

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happen anybody else with the leaks.

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I heard there are two options with that.

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One, you open it frequently and

you lubricate the gasket and the

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other one is you don't do anything.

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You never touch it.

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You never open.

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You just keep it shut.

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I've been following the second

one where we have any problems.

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I'm not open.

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Everybody knows you don't touch it.

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There's no breeze.

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You aren't from it.

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It's interesting that those

things blow out that easily.

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It's A B Y C requirement

to have an escape patch.

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If you can get by without it being

hinged, I think that's a great solution.

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It sounds like the newer approaches and

I've seen that on some other as well.

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Yeah, Rex on a previous owner

of a seahorse one blew out.

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You can see the standing in the cabin.

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I imagine it was pretty terrifying.

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Okay, so Rex had one blow out.

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When we bought the boat, they

had been fixed, they had been

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fixed with the retrofit, and we

found that wasn't holding up.

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One of the pieces that held

it up just popped off one

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day on a gentle day offshore.

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And so we did replace It

popped off sitting at anchor.

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Oh, sorry, unfortunately it popped

off while sitting at anchor.

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Either way, we've this season

replaced both hatches with the

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glass ones with the hammer.

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A bit of a project, but we

sleep much better offshore.

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Amen.

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Yeah, Sarah, Stephen, I saw

you guys raise your hand.

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It was just because I knew Marshall

had the Marshall and Sarah and

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Rex had theirs replaced recently.

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And I just wanted to make sure

he was going to share that story.

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Okay.

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All right.

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Anybody else?

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Any other questions?

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We'll keep moving on.

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Thank you, Glenn.

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Yeah, go ahead, Mark.

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For those who want to be proactive

and replace does GUYO Glenn, the

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company you contacted, do they replace

within a certain condition or is it

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sufficient to say, we've got the old

style hatches we know are susceptible

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to leaking and we'd like to replace with

new ones either at your cost or at a

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discount or something of that nature?

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In my case, Mark I think they

were still coming to terms with

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the fact that they had some

responsibility they had fortunately

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come up with this improved design.

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They were offering it at a discount, but

I think quite honestly, I think I paid

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800 a piece, they were probably, they

probably had some years on them, but

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still, the reality is, it was a flawed

design and I think they corrected it.

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They, in my opinion, they didn't do

enough, financially, Mark, but I slept

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a whole lot better after I did it.

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Anybody else?

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Okay.

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Our next topic here we're going to get an

experience shared by Dave about his dock

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lines breaking and his boats going adrift.

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Dave, do you wanna kinda recount

what happened and some of the lessons

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learned from this event that took place?

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You know what doc I was on?

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Sarah Steven's been on a dock.

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It's one of our neighbors is a

T head on the South River, which

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is right up from Annapolis.

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It's where usually the boat gets

prepped before the boat show.

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And we had pulled up.

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I had never thought twice about it

and tied up using our neighbors lines

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because they're already on the pilings

and we thought we're good to go.

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And we all went home overnight.

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She's there 40 50 not winds

blowing straight down the river.

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The neighbor of our neighbor calls and

says, the boat is floating down the river

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and they all start friendly calling us

trying to say, Dave, this isn't a joke.

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Your boat is floating down the river.

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And I realized that there's

certain things you joke about.

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You don't joke about that.

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And we weren't running out there.

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And fortunately, it only

went about 2 piers down.

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And got caught up on

another neighbor's pier.

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We were fortunate that the only

damage was a, the solid lifelines

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the way two by 10 was sticking out.

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It caught on the lifeline and Prevented

the whole side of the boat getting

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damaged right at the waterline.

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All the boats in the Chesapeake

Bay are on lifts and the lifts are

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basically these huge eye beams.

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And that lifeline kept that I beam from

going right through the side of the boat.

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At the same time, I had made a

little whoopsie changing my impeller

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the day or so before, and when

you take the Seacock from closed.

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To open I ended up burning

a hole in my muffler.

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So I really only have one engine

to try to get off of this dock.

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Oh, I have my bow thruster.

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Like I always tell you guys, the bow

thruster does absolutely no good.

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So I had one engine.

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We're smacked up against the

pier with 50 knot winds and

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there's no way to move forward.

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We would just scrape the

whole side of the boat.

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Lori thought of me tying onto a piling

next to the boat off the port side and

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using a winch to winch the boat over.

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So I put on a wet, it was in November,

so I had to put on a wet scoot and swim

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over and tie it up and we were able to

pull the boat off and I just sat there

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for four hours watching the wind trends

slowly drop down and I inched it forward.

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But my lesson learned was

I only now use my lines.

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I don't use anybody else's lines.

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It was stupid.

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Most people automatically

know, but I don't know.

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I guess I just didn't think that the wind

could blow that hard when we're on dock.

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We're safe on dock.

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Nothing big can really happen on dock.

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It's not like you're going to have

these massive winds pop up and they did.

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Yeah, that was it.

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As for pictures, I'm getting

better at taking pictures

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during catastrophic events.

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We had a sail, a halyard break and

Lori's freaking and pulling the

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sail in and I'm taking pictures

because I was like, it's sails wet.

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We'll pull it in.

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There, there weren't any

pictures taken this day.

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The one neighbor Debbie that you

guys know, she, blew off the pier.

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The wind was blowing so hard and she's

running around trying to get some fenders

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that had blown and almost fell in.

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It was blowing that hard that day.

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Wow.

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So I guess Dave, what you're saying

is the big takeaway is always expect

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the worst no matter what, and don't

trust somebody else's dark lines.

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Did the dock line snap?

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Did they break?

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Is that what happened?

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Did they actually physically break?

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Yeah, both of them.

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They're we only had two on.

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Yeah.

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Both of them snapped.

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Wow.

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It's a lot of load.

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It's a lot of load.

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It only has two docks.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, because we weren't

tucked where you are.

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We were tucked at the end

of their pier on the T head.

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Yeah.

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Why there's places to tie on

and we weren't even going to

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the opposite side of the boat.

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We were on the side of

the boat next to the pier.

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So it was very short lines to

accommodate the, changing tides.

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That reminds me of the adage I've heard

in the past year or so for your dinghy.

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When do you not use two painters

for your dinghy when you use three?

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Thank you, Dave, for going through

and talking about the dock lines and

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tying up and just, I think also you

probably agree that no matter what, just

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probably four dock lines would be good.

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No matter what this in anticipating that,

at least Ballastern and Two Springs, I

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would guess, would you agree with that?

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We've gotten to the point that

if we're fueling, okay, fine too.

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But if we're doing anything

besides fueling, we do the

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complete tie up a hundred percent.

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You got to realize we

aren't the classic cruisers.

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We're doing day trips all the time.

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We're only here for a short spot.

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We're doing a lot of stuff, not anchoring.

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So it's like we get too comfortable.

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The Chesapeake Bay has been the best

place to learn because you go from the

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most easiest conditions to the roughest

conditions and it's all on a bay.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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All right.

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So the next topic I want to share

is something that happened with us

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when we were sailing up from New

Zealand to Fiji, and this deals

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with a man overboard situation.

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And I'll give you a little bit more

background and what took place and some

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of the key lessons learned on this for us

as a cruising couple, as a sailing family.

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So we were sailing from New Zealand to

Fiji the same time that these guys were.

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This boat had the MOB.

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They were about five nautical

miles from us when this took place.

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What ended up happening when we left,

we knew that we were going to be getting

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some pretty strong winds out of the South.

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And we did we had consistently for

2 days, 30 plus knots consistently

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coming out of the South.

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And we were heading North because of that.

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The sea state was rough.

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We had northerly is 1st, so we had

the swell coming from the North

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and the winds clock to the South.

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We had 3, 3 and a half meter C.

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so that's 912 consistently.

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As we were sailing north and in

the morning around, I don't know,

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11 or 12 o'clock in the morning.

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Our time.

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We heard a mayday and a call

from the New Zealand Coast Guard.

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They have what's called this Orion plane.

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Those of you that sail back and forth.

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I'm sure you've been called and

hailed by the Orion, especially

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if you're heading south.

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They want you to check in.

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Anyway, we're going

north, very heavy winds.

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It's still blowing in the mid thirties,

high twenties, low thirties consistently.

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We get this request from the New

Zealand Coast Guard to assist a search

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and rescue for this boat Platino that

had 1 confirmed dead on board and 1 M.

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O.

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B.

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There are about 5 nautical miles off our

beam and we, I asked for more details

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on the radio and I asked specifically.

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If the M.

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Had a P.

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F.

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D.

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On.

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They said no.

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The crew said that he did not have a P.

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F.

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D.

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On board and I had to evaluate

at that moment in time.

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Do we assist?

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It's still daylight, but

there are five nautical miles.

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To our east.

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What do I do in that type of situation?

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Because it was definitely life and death.

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And this occurred within, they had, the M.

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O.

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B.

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had been in the water for about two hours.

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: 00:17:21

It took about an hour and a half

for the Orion to scramble to

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: 00:17:24

get up there to start to assist.

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: 00:17:26

And for whatever reason, the radio,

the VHF radio on Platino was not

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: 00:17:30

strong enough to reach our boat.

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: 00:17:31

We weren't that far away.

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: 00:17:33

So we never heard the Mayday call from

the boat itself, but we did get it from

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: 00:17:39

the Orion plane that was flying overhead

trying to assist in the search and rescue.

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: 00:17:43

The big issue that we had to

deal with as a boat is do we

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: 00:17:46

assist in the search and rescue?

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: 00:17:48

And I had my 2 kids on board plus my mom.

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: 00:17:51

And remember, we're dealing with

3 plus meter seas on my stern.

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: 00:17:56

If I go 90 degrees to starboard,

I'm going to be dealing with a beam

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: 00:18:00

situation with 30 knots on the beam.

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: 00:18:02

And I just said, it's too risky for me.

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: 00:18:05

I didn't feel comfortable sailing to go

try to assist what I felt would be at

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: 00:18:10

that point, 2 hours later, a pretty futile

situation if the guy didn't have a PFD on.

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: 00:18:15

So we took, we declined and we told the

Coast Guard that we would not, I was not

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: 00:18:19

comfortable as captain to assist in the

search and rescue for this man overboard.

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: 00:18:24

It still rattles me today even

thinking about it, because it was a

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: 00:18:27

very chilling effect that it had on

ourselves and our whole family hearing

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about this person that was lost.

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: 00:18:32

And we were pretty sure he was permanently

lost and end of the day he was.

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And so what I, the big thing for me

about this event that took place was

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: 00:18:43

reading through and learning about

exactly what failed and what happened.

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And how could we.

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: 00:18:48

Potentially prevent this from

happening in the future on our

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boat, and I put specifically on

this slide a link to the report.

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I would encourage everybody that

does any sort of blue water sailing

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to, and even not blue water sailing,

but in particular passage making.

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To read through this report in detail.

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There's a lot of things that went

awry and failed on this boat that

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: 00:19:11

caused this dramatic situation where 2

people's lives were lost specifically.

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: 00:19:17

I wanted just to highlight

a couple of them.

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: 00:19:19

Then we'll open it up for any sort of

questions, but there were a number of

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: 00:19:22

failures and let me just talk about them.

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: 00:19:24

Number 1 autopilot.

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: 00:19:27

They were sailing in pretty heavy

seas, and they had autopilot failure.

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: 00:19:33

When the autopilot failed, it caused

an accidental jibe, and that accidental

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: 00:19:38

jibe caused the preventer, because of

the load, and 30 knots on the beam.

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: 00:19:45

It snapped the preventer.

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: 00:19:46

The boom swung around.

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: 00:19:48

It hit the one guy on watching

the head, killed him instantly.

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: 00:19:52

The crew member that was inside saw this

or heard this happen, rushed outside to

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: 00:19:56

try to help because of the sea state.

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: 00:19:58

At that point, the waves are,

more on the beam, very rolly.

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: 00:20:02

We're talking a very severe role.

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: 00:20:04

He fell overboard and did not have

his P F D on and then the other

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: 00:20:08

crew members came up to assist.

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: 00:20:11

But the failures and the big

lessons learned for me are

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: 00:20:14

as follows in this situation.

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: 00:20:16

We were hand steering in these types

of conditions ourself on our boat.

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: 00:20:21

So we were not using autopilot.

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: 00:20:23

I was really worried about getting a big.

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: 00:20:26

Swell on my beam, because,

we would need a 20 foot wave.

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: 00:20:31

And actually half our beam of 12

to 15 foot wave could potentially

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: 00:20:35

cause our boat to tip over.

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: 00:20:37

If we were hit just right.

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: 00:20:38

And they were periodically

breaking behind us.

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: 00:20:41

Anyway, so we were hand steering,

they were not their autopilot did,

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: 00:20:44

in fact, fail, it failed because they

had low hydraulic fluid and it failed.

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: 00:20:50

And the other piece that.

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: 00:20:52

Caused the problem, as I mentioned,

is the angle of the preventer.

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: 00:20:56

And so I know that we had a sailing

class in Annapolis just recently.

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: 00:20:59

We talked about rigging

our boats for preventers.

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: 00:21:01

And the 1 thing that we did

not discuss that is critical.

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: 00:21:05

Is the angle of that preventer and the

loads that can take place in the case

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: 00:21:10

that the accidental drive happens and the

big takeaway is this, you can see here

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: 00:21:14

on the screen, you can see my marker,

they had their preventer pied off at

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: 00:21:18

midship and it went aft back to here.

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: 00:21:21

That angle was six or seven degrees

of angle from here to there.

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: 00:21:26

They should have run that preventer

up to the bow in this situation.

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: 00:21:30

And again, on a monohull, you don't have

as much beam as you have on a catamaran.

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: 00:21:34

And you can see here, this red bar is

where they actually had the preventer,

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: 00:21:39

and this line here on the chart shows

you the force, the relative force.

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: 00:21:45

You can see how strong that force goes up.

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: 00:21:47

It is not going to hold or have a

very difficult time holding that and

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: 00:21:52

actually preventing an accidental

jive, which is what happened to

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: 00:21:54

cause a loss of life on board.

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: 00:21:57

So my 2 big takeaways were in really

rough conditions, hand steer, don't

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: 00:22:02

trust your autopilot and number

2, double check your preventer.

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: 00:22:06

It was downwind sailing, as I

mentioned, and the preventer, if it

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: 00:22:10

would have been rigged up, probably

down closer to the 25 degree angle.

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: 00:22:15

It could have potentially prevented

it from accidentally driving and

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: 00:22:18

maybe prevented two deaths on board.

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: 00:22:20

Any questions that you

have about this situation?

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: 00:22:22

Dave, you learned three lessons as

a beach patrol for years as a former

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: 00:22:28

surf rescue scuba rescue diver.

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: 00:22:32

For one thing you never do

is put your life at risk.

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: 00:22:34

To save other people,

you got to weigh that.

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: 00:22:37

And it's very hard.

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: 00:22:39

I had to do a couple of pulls

around jetties where I really

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: 00:22:42

shouldn't have done it.

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: 00:22:43

And you got to walk away.

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: 00:22:46

You can't do it.

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: 00:22:48

And that was pretty wise for

you to make that decision.

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: 00:22:51

You always want to be the

guy to come to rescue.

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: 00:22:53

Yeah, actually, on that note,

there's a third lesson or

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: 00:22:57

fourth lesson on that for sure.

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: 00:23:00

And that's and we tell this to our crew

when we do our safety briefing, but it's

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: 00:23:04

so difficult to really put it in action.

434

: 00:23:06

And that's you don't walk out

into the cockpit without your P.

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: 00:23:09

F.

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: 00:23:09

D.

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: 00:23:10

On.

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: 00:23:11

And so when something bad happens

like this, it was an emergency.

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: 00:23:15

The crew instinctually ran up

the up into the cockpit to try

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: 00:23:20

to help or see what happened.

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: 00:23:22

And that's when that individual trying

to help this individual that got hit in

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: 00:23:24

the head was washed overboard, and he did

not have on his and was not clipped in.

443

: 00:23:30

Hindsight's 2020, but these are always

some things that we can learn from.

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: 00:23:34

And so if there's anything for sure, in

heavy sea conditions, we require our crew.

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: 00:23:39

to put their PFDs on inside the salon

before they walk into the cockpit.

446

: 00:23:45

And we have a very enclosed

cockpit, which is probably a little

447

: 00:23:47

bit different than this boat.

448

: 00:23:49

But it's just trying to prevent an MOB.

449

: 00:23:52

Anything else from anybody else?

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: 00:23:54

Any other questions on this?

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: 00:23:59

Okay.

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: 00:23:59

Go ahead, Steven.

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: 00:24:00

I see you're raising your hand.

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: 00:24:01

the preventer.

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: 00:24:02

I've often used the midship cleats

from the back end of the boom.

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: 00:24:08

without big conditions and big conditions,

we probably wouldn't be sailing.

457

: 00:24:12

But that's because I don't think

you'd get a better angle on an

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: 00:24:17

Antares going to the bow cleat.

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: 00:24:19

You would get a better angle

going to the balcony for sure.

460

: 00:24:22

For sure.

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: 00:24:23

But that's another point to us.

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: 00:24:26

So as far as sale plan, these guys

also, by the way, they were taking place

463

: 00:24:30

in a race from New Zealand to Fiji.

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: 00:24:33

So speed was important.

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: 00:24:35

We did not have our main up.

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: 00:24:37

We had three and a half, four

reefs in our Genoa and that was it.

467

: 00:24:41

And we were still doing 9, 10 knots

surfing down these waves easily.

468

: 00:24:45

So we only had a little bit of jib.

469

: 00:24:46

Our main was down, but they had

their main up and they were racing.

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: 00:24:50

They were trying to get to Fiji.

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: 00:24:53

It was a race.

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: 00:24:53

They were racing for time.

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: 00:24:54

So maybe you make, maybe you also make

some additional mistakes trying to push

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: 00:24:59

the boat in these types of situations.

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: 00:25:00

I don't know.

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: 00:25:05

All right.

477

: 00:25:06

Let's move on then to the next

weather windows and rally.

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: 00:25:12

So this is going to be you, Glenn.

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: 00:25:15

Oh, boy.

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: 00:25:16

Okay.

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: 00:25:17

I thought I'd share this.

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: 00:25:19

Bear with me on the story, guys.

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: 00:25:21

I thought I'd share lesson learned.

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: 00:25:23

We did the Caribbean 1500 passage,

which no longer is run by the

485

: 00:25:29

World Cruising Club any longer.

486

: 00:25:31

But I think the Salty Dog Rally

took its place in November of

487

: 00:25:37

2018 to move the boat from the

Chesapeake Bay down to the Caribbean.

488

: 00:25:43

Which is a traditional time that

boats from the north head south and if

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: 00:25:48

you're going offshore it's the passage

that people take before I get to the

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: 00:25:52

lessons, I was preparing for this I

was going back and reading our diary

491

: 00:25:56

and Pam always took great notes, so

I'm going to just read briefly from her

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: 00:26:02

diary that she wrote, and the evening

we arrived into Falmouth, Antigua.

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: 00:26:09

1745 nautical miles.

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: 00:26:11

We finally reached Antigua

yesterday, Friday around 10 30 a.

495

: 00:26:16

m.

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: 00:26:16

The trip literally kicked our ass.

497

: 00:26:19

From the first two days of nearly

50 knot winds and choppy gulf stream

498

: 00:26:23

killer waves from multiple directions.

499

: 00:26:26

To five plus days of

motoring east in dead calm.

500

: 00:26:30

But the very worst was our last five

to six days when we turned south along.

501

: 00:26:34

Latitude 62 skirting the edge of

a tropical depression winds at 25

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: 00:26:41

gusting to 35 knots on the beam.

503

: 00:26:45

Almost three meter swells on the

beam with confused wind driving

504

: 00:26:49

waves coming from all angles.

505

: 00:26:51

Intermittent furious squalls,

scale force winds, and rain.

506

: 00:26:55

Mira and its crew took a beating.

507

: 00:26:56

At one point, I was crawling on

my hands and knees across the

508

: 00:26:59

salon because every time I tried

to stand up, I got thrown down.

509

: 00:27:03

Mira was lurching and bucking By the

time we limped into Falmouth, we had lost

510

: 00:27:12

mysterious electrical gremlins chewing

up battery and kicking off our autopilot

511

: 00:27:17

running low on diesel watermaker

quit working and Glenn couldn't climb

512

: 00:27:21

under to fix because of rough seas.

513

: 00:27:24

So we didn't shower anything for five days

or so we had a quarter tank of water left

514

: 00:27:29

at the end, but our rig held up great.

515

: 00:27:32

Thankfully, and in Tari's did us right.

516

: 00:27:35

Yeah.

517

: 00:27:36

Why did I want to highlight this?

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: 00:27:38

we left November 4th.

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: 00:27:41

We arrived November 16th.

520

: 00:27:43

We had our adult Children scheduled

to join us for Thanksgiving

521

: 00:27:47

celebration in Antigua, November 17th.

522

: 00:27:52

First lesson, right?

523

: 00:27:55

You look back and go, okay that was

cutting it tight, don't you think?

524

: 00:27:58

We thought we'd be there, several

days in advance and all would be good.

525

: 00:28:02

As we, of course, have learned as

sailors, when you put a deadline

526

: 00:28:06

in place, it can get you into

trouble and that family gathering

527

: 00:28:10

for Thanksgiving was our deadline.

528

: 00:28:12

So we were committed to being

in Antigua, prior to the 17th.

529

: 00:28:18

The other thing so we

chose to do the rally.

530

: 00:28:22

It was one year into our boat ownership,

and we had intentions of doing more

531

: 00:28:26

blue water sailing and crossing.

532

: 00:28:28

over to the Mediterranean.

533

: 00:28:30

And so we really wanted to learn as

much as we could about offshore sailing.

534

: 00:28:35

And the preparation for these

rallies is really super.

535

: 00:28:39

A lot of safety briefings.

536

: 00:28:41

A lot of kit, outfitted for

say, we added a, life jacket.

537

: 00:28:46

Life raft, et cetera safety

procedures and so forth.

538

: 00:28:49

So it really upped our game in

terms of preparing for offshore.

539

: 00:28:53

From that perspective, I was

really glad that we participated.

540

: 00:28:59

the thing that really threw us a

curveball was the weather window

541

: 00:29:04

that the rally organizers picked.

542

: 00:29:08

And of course, as, captains, we all

are responsible for, picking the

543

: 00:29:12

window and optimizing it for safety.

544

: 00:29:16

it was a little bit early

in our cruising life.

545

: 00:29:19

we chose to rely on the rally

organizers for that weather

546

: 00:29:22

window, and we trusted them.

547

: 00:29:24

there were 27 boats in our rally.

548

: 00:29:26

We all left at the same time

out of Portsmouth, Virginia.

549

: 00:29:33

forecasted low pressure system that

you see in the slide was not very

550

: 00:29:40

apparent to us as we were leaving.

551

: 00:29:44

And it developed, and intensified

while we were underway.

552

: 00:29:47

And in fact if you look at the path

on the line of routes of different

553

: 00:29:53

boats you'll actually see that

some people diverted to Bermuda.

554

: 00:29:58

Some people diverted to the Bahamas.

555

: 00:30:02

Some people turned back.

556

: 00:30:04

Some people continued on through to the B.

557

: 00:30:07

V.

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: 00:30:08

I.

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: 00:30:08

S.

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: 00:30:08

Which was the traditional destination.

561

: 00:30:10

A decision we could have made

was to not go on the schedule.

562

: 00:30:14

That these guys were setting and

waiting, till we pick our own.

563

: 00:30:19

Yeah, in retrospect, it would have

been the smartest thing we could

564

: 00:30:22

have done, but we just weren't

experienced enough to know it.

565

: 00:30:25

And I think You know, you can do rallies,

but I think at the end of the day,

566

: 00:30:30

you've got to be knowledgeable about

picking your window and really having

567

: 00:30:34

a weather router or somebody, looking

over your shoulder when it comes,

568

: 00:30:39

particularly this time of year, if any

of you guys have done the North Atlantic

569

: 00:30:43

in November the weather windows come and

go with the various pressure systems.

570

: 00:30:48

So you have to be really careful.

571

: 00:30:50

And knowing now what I know, I

would have spent more time getting

572

: 00:30:55

comfortable with the weather window or

uncomfortable with the weather window.

573

: 00:31:00

my third bit of advice would be

willing to go to plan B, right?

574

: 00:31:05

We were committed to being in Antigua.

575

: 00:31:07

We could have diverted and probably,

gotten away from some of the nasty stuff

576

: 00:31:13

in the low pressure system by heading

to Bermuda, like a few other boats did,

577

: 00:31:18

we would have missed our family get

together for Thanksgiving, big mistake,

578

: 00:31:23

we arrived, it was a tough passage and it

was really the first really rough passage

579

: 00:31:28

we had on mirror and it, Hold up great.

580

: 00:31:31

But, it was the an eye opener for us all.

581

: 00:31:35

Yeah.

582

: 00:31:36

Thanks Glenn for sharing that.

583

: 00:31:37

It's I think it's very difficult,

especially as newer sailors.

584

: 00:31:42

We fell into nothing as rough as that,

but just making dumb decisions, trying to

585

: 00:31:47

make a date and be at a certain location.

586

: 00:31:49

And then you tend to rush through

things and you tend to make what

587

: 00:31:54

would be not the best decision on

a weather window in particular.

588

: 00:31:57

And that's, yeah, that's

very good feedback.

589

: 00:32:01

knowing what I know now, and we too did

a rally when we were new, we sailed from

590

: 00:32:07

the BVI to Bermuda with the Arctic Rally

going north and then from there over to

591

: 00:32:11

Newport, Rhode Island, and, it was fine.

592

: 00:32:14

It would happen to work out fine.

593

: 00:32:16

But I noticed that in particular,

some of these rallies tend to push it.

594

: 00:32:20

They're trying to get somewhere

and they tend to shave it closer

595

: 00:32:23

on some of these weather windows.

596

: 00:32:25

Friend of mine did a similar rally going

from Virginia south and they got killed

597

: 00:32:29

on a salty dog rally with weather.

598

: 00:32:33

it's very tricky.

599

: 00:32:35

It's notorious, but we thought

we'd learn a ton and we sure did.

600

: 00:32:39

We did.

601

: 00:32:40

I think everybody has heard of

the, you have to be aware of the

602

: 00:32:43

weather windows and everything

else, but until you screw up.

603

: 00:32:46

And you push it through because

you're trying to hit a deadline.

604

: 00:32:49

Lori and I want to be up the bay.

605

: 00:32:51

Instead, we were going like two or three

knots up the bay, pounding all night long.

606

: 00:32:58

And it took that one time for me to

then, now, it won't happen again.

607

: 00:33:04

We were with Jane and her husband,

and my goal was to get as far south as

608

: 00:33:09

possible so they could experience an

overnight sail and use the equipment.

609

: 00:33:13

And I called it halfway down and I

was like it's, we could power through,

610

: 00:33:18

but it's probably going to only

get worse and you got to call it,

611

: 00:33:21

Yep.

612

: 00:33:22

That's exactly right.

613

: 00:33:24

Sarah and Steven, we're going to

let you narrate through Your video,

614

: 00:33:28

which I have on here, so hopefully

it will show through and I'll let

615

: 00:33:31

you guys talk about your shred sale.

616

: 00:33:33

Go ahead.

617

: 00:33:34

Stephen.

618

: 00:33:34

we were.

619

: 00:33:36

Needing to be in Maine.

620

: 00:33:38

We were on our way from Argentina.

621

: 00:33:41

We had just arrived in North Carolina

and we dropped off Dave Cowdell and

622

: 00:33:47

picked up Lisa Cowdell for the, to go

to Maine and the night before we should

623

: 00:33:53

have known better because the night

before it was, the winds were terrible.

624

: 00:33:58

I, it was so windy.

625

: 00:34:00

We saw a boat at the Marina that had

broken off one of the lines and the,

626

: 00:34:08

hitting the other boat next to it and

still we left the next morning and we

627

: 00:34:13

should have known trying to get off

the dock that it was so hard we were

628

: 00:34:17

being blown onto the dock how hard it

was to get off the dock even to get out

629

: 00:34:22

of the Beaufort inlet was it was a big

challenge and the seas were rough the

630

: 00:34:30

wind was coming against us and it was

pretty scary Stephen's gonna tell his

631

: 00:34:37

I'll show you the video Yeah, so do you

want to go ahead with the video mark?

632

: 00:34:41

I'll show the video.

633

: 00:34:42

You can see what happened here.

634

: 00:34:45

That's the end result after going through

the Beaufort inlet where the wind and

635

: 00:34:49

the waves stacked against each other.

636

: 00:34:52

But the true villain

here was operator error.

637

: 00:34:55

This creature unfurled itself, not because

of a factory design or construction,

638

: 00:35:01

but because I had left one of the in

and out infinity lines on the furler.

639

: 00:35:09

Thank you, OhanaDev, for your help.

640

: 00:35:12

Fixing that spliced it before the

boat show a little over a year ago.

641

: 00:35:17

But prior to that, I had not secured

the lines by cleat or not early.

642

: 00:35:23

So that was operator error.

643

: 00:35:25

And then we headed out.

644

: 00:35:26

The other mistake was sailing to

the calendar, heading out that

645

: 00:35:30

inlet where the waves were stacked

against the wind, and the screecher

646

: 00:35:34

just started unfurling itself.

647

: 00:35:36

So I had to go on the deck and wrestle

the sail in, and I'm looking at the beach,

648

: 00:35:42

hoping Lisa Cowdell can maintain the boat.

649

: 00:35:46

We should have turned around and

gone back to the dock, but we

650

: 00:35:48

were already in the middle of it.

651

: 00:35:49

So we just kept on going and had a

pretty miserable sale and passage.

652

: 00:35:55

Most of the rest of the way to

Maine I was going to say, lots

653

: 00:35:59

of big boats in the channel.

654

: 00:36:02

it was almost impossible if we could

have turned around to try to get the.

655

: 00:36:06

The wind coming from the other

direction, but we couldn't do any,

656

: 00:36:10

we couldn't furl it in or out because

the line was broken and tied off.

657

: 00:36:15

It was already, it was cut.

658

: 00:36:16

And tied off and the sheets

were wrapped around it.

659

: 00:36:21

So it just wrapped itself back

around backwards and we couldn't

660

: 00:36:24

turn it one way or the other.

661

: 00:36:27

And Steven was up there on the bow

and I tried to go up and help him and

662

: 00:36:33

neither of us had our PFDs on and we

were around and it was terrifying.

663

: 00:36:40

And we both got up and the sail just.

664

: 00:36:45

Broke off and we tied it down

as best we could and we went

665

: 00:36:48

in and we were like shaking.

666

: 00:36:50

It was just really terrifying.

667

: 00:36:52

It was the stupidest thing we've done.

668

: 00:36:55

And yeah, so we didn't want to talk

about it for a really long time.

669

: 00:37:00

It's a tough story.

670

: 00:37:00

It's a tough story to tell

because of how terrifying it is.

671

: 00:37:04

Nobody went overboard.

672

: 00:37:06

Lisa kept the boat going.

673

: 00:37:08

It was just if the winds and

the waves were a little worse.

674

: 00:37:11

We might have ended up on the beach.

675

: 00:37:13

We could have been

taught a real bad lesson.

676

: 00:37:15

We couldn't sail at all

until we got to Cape Cod.

677

: 00:37:21

The Cape Cod Bay, above Cape Cod, the seas

were distilled and we were able to send

678

: 00:37:27

Stephen up the mast and clear it all up.

679

: 00:37:29

But we did make lemonade.

680

: 00:37:32

We made lemonade out of those lemons,

We actually provided the material and

681

: 00:37:38

had these bags sewn up by our friend

Kathleen in Marlborough, New Hampshire.

682

: 00:37:43

And Screecher bags.

683

: 00:37:44

We sell them or give them away.

684

: 00:37:47

We call them our screecher bags.

685

: 00:37:48

So constant reminder of

Mike foible for doing that.

686

: 00:37:53

I have one sir.

687

: 00:37:54

And Stephen, thank you for giving me

want to use it every day going shopping.

688

: 00:37:58

Tell the story.

689

: 00:37:59

Remember not those things

we just talked about.

690

: 00:38:02

Thank you guys for sharing that story.

691

: 00:38:04

We've got about you were saying

that's a weather window issue.

692

: 00:38:08

What I see it is an Atari's issue.

693

: 00:38:12

They build these boats to fricking

beefy, we get a little too cocky

694

: 00:38:16

with them, figure we can do anything

with it, and if they would build

695

: 00:38:20

them a little crappier and weaker,

then we wouldn't take these risks.

696

: 00:38:26

We talked to Sancho.

697

: 00:38:28

That's his problem.

698

: 00:38:31

Yeah something just occurred to me too.

699

: 00:38:33

We had a really lovely time

meeting and catching up with

700

: 00:38:36

Marshall the night before.

701

: 00:38:38

In Beaufort with a beer after

our passage to Moorhead City,

702

: 00:38:43

and then we set off the next day.

703

: 00:38:44

By no means, Marshall, do I give

you any credit for what happened?

704

: 00:38:48

That was the captain's mistake, but

it was a good meeting that night.

705

: 00:38:51

I'm so glad.

706

: 00:38:55

I think we left 36 hours later.

707

: 00:38:57

It was a great passage.

708

: 00:38:58

Smart move.

709

: 00:39:00

Really brought an experience

coming out of that inlet.

710

: 00:39:04

Just this summer, we got a little

cocky and we're like, it's a big inlet.

711

: 00:39:08

It's only 10 knots of wind.

712

: 00:39:11

We knew the current was going

to be against the wind, but

713

: 00:39:14

we thought it was so little.

714

: 00:39:15

And that was a really rough two hours

with waves breaking up over the cockpit.

715

: 00:39:24

Yeah, it just takes one of those

and you're no longer cocky.

716

: 00:39:29

Don't feel bad.

717

: 00:39:30

We did the exact same thing.

718

: 00:39:31

Marshall, when we were leaving Annapolis,

we had just, we were new as well to

719

: 00:39:35

our boat and we turned around and went

back in the inlet because we were just

720

: 00:39:38

getting killed water over the deck.

721

: 00:39:40

And Sarah was like, no, we had little

kids and they were yelling and crying.

722

: 00:39:44

I was like, all right, we're done.

723

: 00:39:45

And we turned around and went back in.

724

: 00:39:46

It was humbling.

725

: 00:39:47

People are like, what in the

heck are you doing leaving?

726

: 00:39:49

I was like, ah, it's no problem.

727

: 00:39:50

Wrong.

728

: 00:39:51

You want the wins the one way to go

around this, but it's going to be the

729

: 00:39:55

opposite way to get out of Beaufort.

730

: 00:39:58

Not my favorite place to be.

731

: 00:40:00

That's funny.

732

: 00:40:02

Mark and Catherine.

733

: 00:40:04

Oh, go ahead, Sarah.

734

: 00:40:07

So Mark, you want to, you've got

two things to walk us through.

735

: 00:40:10

One is dragging anchor and the

other one is going through a bar.

736

: 00:40:13

I've got the video on the next slide.

737

: 00:40:15

You want to first talk about dragging

anchor and lessons learned on that.

738

: 00:40:19

Sure.

739

: 00:40:20

We'll try to keep it brief.

740

: 00:40:21

By the way, on this creature, we

blew one out within weeks of of

741

: 00:40:25

owning the boat, and now I regret

not making anything out of it.

742

: 00:40:29

Bags or anything, bad memory.

743

: 00:40:31

Bad memory.

744

: 00:40:31

Yes, that's all we have.

745

: 00:40:33

Lessons learned.

746

: 00:40:34

Exactly.

747

: 00:40:36

Still being newbies.

748

: 00:40:37

We got the boat.

749

: 00:40:38

In San Diego and decided instead of

heading South, going North to San

750

: 00:40:43

Francisco to experience the Bay.

751

: 00:40:46

And on the way there is Point Conception.

752

: 00:40:50

Now we already had experience with kelp

in San Diego when we thought we could

753

: 00:40:55

take a shortcut through a kelp bed,

no problem we'll just power through.

754

: 00:41:01

And this stuff, Can

absolutely stop you dead.

755

: 00:41:04

It could get fouled on your props.

756

: 00:41:06

it's not anything to trifle

with on the way north.

757

: 00:41:09

Then keeping that in mind point

conception is one of these areas.

758

: 00:41:13

That's really important to time

the crossing because the prevailing

759

: 00:41:17

wind is from the north and it can,

with the current get really nasty.

760

: 00:41:23

and so we decided to anchor at Coho.

761

: 00:41:26

It's a roadstead anchorage closest

to Point Conception and make the

762

: 00:41:30

crossing of Point Conception early

in the morning, five o'clock or

763

: 00:41:34

so when it's still normally quiet.

764

: 00:41:37

as we enter Coho, those familiar

kelp pits were all around us.

765

: 00:41:42

We dropped anchor and I

had the sense this time.

766

: 00:41:46

Being surrounded by kelp, there was what

looked like a channel to our left, and

767

: 00:41:51

I actually marked the coordinates on

the compass for the escape route saying

768

: 00:41:56

to myself if we do have to escape in

the middle of the night this is the

769

: 00:42:00

direction we have to go, because Any

other direction would have failed.

770

: 00:42:03

We would have gotten stuck in the kelp.

771

: 00:42:06

And on the shores of the bay, there

were not one, not two, but at least

772

: 00:42:10

four mostly sunken boats that had

suffered a lee shore accident.

773

: 00:42:15

And so again, it was

one of these reminders.

774

: 00:42:17

this is a pretty, but rather

unusual place in terms of history.

775

: 00:42:21

So we went to bed.

776

: 00:42:23

expecting northerlies blowing us offshore.

777

: 00:42:26

And it's always happens that two in

the morning our anchor alarm went off.

778

: 00:42:31

I thought it said a too tight a

radius I'll just extend it by 10 feet,

779

: 00:42:35

I don't want to get up and check.

780

: 00:42:37

And it went off again 15 minutes later.

781

: 00:42:40

And this happened another time,

three times before I finally

782

: 00:42:44

told Catherine, you know what, I

think we are actually dragging.

783

: 00:42:49

and we walked outside.

784

: 00:42:51

And there was strong wind from

the south pushing us towards the

785

: 00:42:55

direction of the shore where the

other vessels were, the sunken ones.

786

: 00:43:00

There was one other vessel

that was within about a hundred

787

: 00:43:04

yards of us when we went to bed.

788

: 00:43:07

That I could not even see the anchor

light on because it was pea soup thick

789

: 00:43:11

fog and the only way I could tell which

way we were pointed was by listening

790

: 00:43:17

to the surf crashing on the beach which

seemed, of course not so far away.

791

: 00:43:23

and so we decided to lift anchor instead

of reset and just get the hell out of

792

: 00:43:28

there into deeper water, followed the

coordinates by the compass and managed

793

: 00:43:33

to avoid getting stranded in kelp.

794

: 00:43:36

the upside was being able to be pushed

around point conception with 25 knot winds

795

: 00:43:42

on our stern, southerlies unusual course.

796

: 00:43:45

Southerlies and although it was foggy,

it was fantastic sailing no harm done.

797

: 00:43:50

But the lessons learned there are plan

your escape whatever the anchorage.

798

: 00:43:54

Know your bearings, know your

surroundings, know the risks,

799

: 00:43:58

and have a plan for extracting

oneself, keeping in mind that

800

: 00:44:02

deep water is always one's friend.

801

: 00:44:04

So that was our point conception story.

802

: 00:44:07

Anything you want to add, Catherine?

803

: 00:44:09

Yeah, that's nerve

wracking to say the least.

804

: 00:44:14

You also have a video, Mark, to show us.

805

: 00:44:17

I'm going to go ahead and play that.

806

: 00:44:18

I don't know if the audio is

going to come through or not.

807

: 00:44:21

If you can hear it, I don't know.

808

: 00:44:23

But if you cannot hear it, go ahead

and narrate it on your side, Mark.

809

: 00:44:26

All right, we'll go ahead and start it.

810

: 00:44:29

Okay, so this is Bahia del Sol.

811

: 00:44:32

It is a bar crossing.

812

: 00:44:34

It has to be done with a pilot boat.

813

: 00:44:36

In El Salvador.

814

: 00:44:37

And there was a boat last last year

within a month of us being there that

815

: 00:44:43

was lost on this particular barb.

816

: 00:44:45

So again, one of these crazy situations.

817

: 00:44:47

That's the pilot boat in front of us.

818

: 00:44:49

They're supposed to be guiding us.

819

: 00:44:51

And they see the breaker coming in

and it decides to leave us, right?

820

: 00:44:56

So we're here on our own

facing, facing these breakers.

821

: 00:45:00

We are in radio contact.

822

: 00:45:02

The person is now behind us and says,

I do not see what's in front of you.

823

: 00:45:06

And I can't give you any advice.

824

: 00:45:09

I'm trying hard not to move

forward into the surf break line

825

: 00:45:14

to keep the bow pointed forward,

but just basically pivoting the

826

: 00:45:18

boat, trying to stay in place.

827

: 00:45:20

We should have, in this particular

break here, this lull, gunned it, and

828

: 00:45:25

tried to make it through, but we were

advised at that point no wait although

829

: 00:45:29

my instinct was to try to, get through.

830

: 00:45:32

As you can see, just at that moment, the

next set comes in, and we are hammered.

831

: 00:45:41

Too bad we don't have the video because

you can hear Catherine who's taking the

832

: 00:45:45

film say, Oh my goodness, and thank God

for the solid windscreen because the

833

: 00:45:51

cockpit was completely protected as the

water just moved up and around this.

834

: 00:45:56

So Not too much damage done.

835

: 00:45:59

We lost one of the lights.

836

: 00:46:00

You can see hanging there on the bow.

837

: 00:46:03

there was no damage.

838

: 00:46:04

Oh, we did lose one of the

scuppers on the bridge deck.

839

: 00:46:08

no other known damage.

840

: 00:46:09

But here again I had dispensed knowing

that this is rather treacherous water.

841

: 00:46:15

To take the dinghy out and to observe

other vessels the day before, two

842

: 00:46:20

days before, how are they crossing?

843

: 00:46:22

How are they maneuvering and don't

as Glenn alluded to in terms of,

844

: 00:46:28

organizers or whoever the person in

position of authority is when they tell

845

: 00:46:32

you something, follow me, for example

make sure that, in your preparations,

846

: 00:46:38

you are prepared to have your own

plan and to make sure that that you're

847

: 00:46:42

able to get yourself into safety.

848

: 00:46:45

Catherine, you're the one who

had that emotional reaction,

849

: 00:46:48

which is completely natural.

850

: 00:46:50

You want to share what you experienced.

851

: 00:46:53

No.

852

: 00:46:54

Mark did a great job of getting us out

of there and I told him I would never

853

: 00:46:58

go there again, so I do not recommend.

854

: 00:47:02

The restaurants weren't good, the

water was disgusting, there were trees

855

: 00:47:06

floating and you have to cross the bar.

856

: 00:47:08

But we found a careening

spot, that was good.

857

: 00:47:12

Yeah, wow.

858

: 00:47:14

That was very scary.

859

: 00:47:15

And just seeing like breaking

like waves coming towards you.

860

: 00:47:18

Usually, I don't know.

861

: 00:47:19

It's just not what you're expecting.

862

: 00:47:21

It's shallow water.

863

: 00:47:22

Yeah.

864

: 00:47:22

Nice video though, Kev.

865

: 00:47:25

Hey, thank you.

866

: 00:47:26

Thanks, Glenn.

867

: 00:47:26

I was able to stand up and

then finally Oh my gosh.

868

: 00:47:28

It's amazing.

869

: 00:47:29

Given what was going on that

you were able to capture that.

870

: 00:47:32

That's the whole time.

871

: 00:47:33

I'm thinking, man, who the hell is.

872

: 00:47:35

I was standing up and holding on.

873

: 00:47:37

Yeah.

874

: 00:47:38

The funniest thing was I kept

saying, it's okay, Serenity's

875

: 00:47:40

got this this boat can handle it.

876

: 00:47:42

I'm not doing great, but the

boat is going to handle it, and

877

: 00:47:45

Mark is just laughing at me.

878

: 00:47:48

Anyway yeah, the boat did great.

879

: 00:47:50

Yeah, it is amazing that you guys captured

that, and it's always difficult, as

880

: 00:47:54

everyone knows, when you're videoing

a sea state, that video just doesn't

881

: 00:47:59

capture it either until you're there,

and you're seeing, feeling it around you.

882

: 00:48:02

It's a whole different animal.

883

: 00:48:04

And just seeing what I saw

and the one, one wave coming

884

: 00:48:07

across the bow of your boat.

885

: 00:48:08

That's substantial and that's definitely

nerve wracking that is not trivial.

886

: 00:48:13

You don't want to get

beamed to that at all.

887

: 00:48:16

Sure.

888

: 00:48:17

No, you do not.

889

: 00:48:19

Not on breaking waves like that.

890

: 00:48:21

Thank you guys both for sharing that.

891

: 00:48:23

So what I want to do is I'll be

brief on this little presentation.

892

: 00:48:29

It wraps up a lot of stuff that we've

talked about, but I wanted to talk about.

893

: 00:48:32

What it was like to have a one of

my two anchors break what we did

894

: 00:48:38

and trying to plan for worst case

scenarios and weathering a tropical

895

: 00:48:42

storm that turned into a typhoon

after one over the top of us.

896

: 00:48:46

So we were in Micronesia on this atoll.

897

: 00:48:49

This is us up here in the red.

898

: 00:48:51

And we were waiting for a weather

window to head north to Guam, We knew

899

: 00:48:54

that it was on the very edge of the

season turning to, or the typhoons were

900

: 00:48:58

slowly dialing down, but they still

could happen, even though it was rare.

901

: 00:49:02

It turns out that we got hit

with a tropical storm that

902

: 00:49:04

came over the top of us.

903

: 00:49:06

And so my worry was, do we try to

sail or do we stay on the hook?

904

: 00:49:13

And I will say this of all the

times that we've been in different

905

: 00:49:17

types of situations on our boat.

906

: 00:49:19

I've only felt unsafe

once and it was here.

907

: 00:49:21

This is where I felt the

most unsafe on my boat.

908

: 00:49:24

And the reason for that is

what ended up happening.

909

: 00:49:28

In summary, we put out 2 anchors.

910

: 00:49:30

The clocking can cause, if you don't

do the anchors right, cause your

911

: 00:49:34

chains to possibly get twisted up.

912

: 00:49:36

That I was worried about.

913

: 00:49:38

I didn't have tons of scope on my FX 37.

914

: 00:49:41

If you look at this diagram over here,

I actually used Google Maps and I

915

: 00:49:46

figured out the radius of my current

primary anchor, which is the larger one.

916

: 00:49:51

This is in 5 meters of water.

917

: 00:49:53

We had 15 to 1 out on my primary and 10

to 1 out on my secondary, but I wanted to

918

: 00:49:59

figure out how could I position my anchor

so that where the strongest winds are

919

: 00:50:03

coming in these yellow areas are wind.

920

: 00:50:05

So this is in the lee.

921

: 00:50:07

I wasn't too worried about when it

was wide open behind me wide open.

922

: 00:50:10

I was not worried about dragging back

in here, but I was very worried about

923

: 00:50:14

dragging over into the refund, which

was over on this side of my boat.

924

: 00:50:18

I figured out using my GPS coordinates

and some math to figure out where

925

: 00:50:22

could I maximize the holding power

of my boat with this being the

926

: 00:50:26

strongest wind condition, not wanting

to have the exact same scope out.

927

: 00:50:30

And so basically where these two

lines cross is where, in theory,

928

: 00:50:34

both loads should be pretty even

on my primary and secondary anchor

929

: 00:50:38

when the wind's blowing the hardest

out of the west, west, southwest.

930

: 00:50:42

This was the hardest part of the point

of the wind as this low passed through.

931

: 00:50:45

As fate would have it, like

anything else about, Maybe it

932

: 00:50:50

was like midnight at night.

933

: 00:50:52

The winds were clocking.

934

: 00:50:53

The load at this point was pretty

much on my moving over to be

935

: 00:50:58

over on my secondary anchor.

936

: 00:51:00

A lot more load was on

my secondary anchor.

937

: 00:51:02

And the problem that I had is

that I had chain and then road.

938

: 00:51:07

We had 50 knots of wind, high forties,

low fifties at this point in time.

939

: 00:51:12

And there was so much load because of

the waves were kicking up with the fetch

940

: 00:51:16

and the shock load that I could feel.

941

: 00:51:18

I was not sleeping.

942

: 00:51:19

There's no way I could sleep.

943

: 00:51:20

But I heard this big snap.

944

: 00:51:22

And that is when my secondary road broke

and when it broke, it put all the load

945

: 00:51:29

on my primary anchor, which so now I'm

swinging over in this space over here.

946

: 00:51:36

So what happened in going back

to what you said, Mark, in

947

: 00:51:39

what I said, as far as being.

948

: 00:51:42

Feeling the most uncomfortable in the

situation knowing that I have a Lee

949

: 00:51:45

Shore and this whole shore is breaking

crashing waves right behind me.

950

: 00:51:49

It's 45, 50 knots of wind.

951

: 00:51:52

I'm awake.

952

: 00:51:53

I'm at the helm.

953

: 00:51:53

I have both engines on.

954

: 00:51:54

I'm motoring forward and I'm just

hoping that something doesn't happen.

955

: 00:51:57

Since I just had one anchor road

break, I was worried that my chain

956

: 00:52:01

might, and it was, I was on all chain.

957

: 00:52:03

I was very worried about something

happening and not being able to

958

: 00:52:07

motor through and power through

that enough to get out of there.

959

: 00:52:11

So I talked to Sarah and the long story

short is we ended up deciding that

960

: 00:52:15

we were safer at sea than we would

be with a leash even though we hadn't

961

: 00:52:18

dragged and the anchor was folding.

962

: 00:52:21

So I got her at the home

and we were able to manage.

963

: 00:52:23

We left behind the 1 anchor.

964

: 00:52:25

We couldn't retrieve it.

965

: 00:52:25

It was broken anyway, and we were

able to retrieve our primary anchor.

966

: 00:52:29

It took us probably close

to an hour to get it up.

967

: 00:52:32

You have to power forward and

between the waves going like this

968

: 00:52:35

and the surge, we finally got the

anchor free and we motored out.

969

: 00:52:39

We already had pre planned and escape

route, which is going through here

970

: 00:52:43

around this island and heading north.

971

: 00:52:45

The winds are coming from this

direction at this point in time.

972

: 00:52:47

So we had a motor through into the winds.

973

: 00:52:49

At this point, we motored out, went

around the corner and went sailing and

974

: 00:52:53

it, it was our most challenging situation

because we were in the middle of fricking

975

: 00:52:57

nowhere and we didn't have anywhere to go.

976

: 00:53:00

We couldn't just go find a good

hurricane hole or typhoon hole.

977

: 00:53:03

We were in the middle of an atoll

in Micronesia north of Yap and

978

: 00:53:08

the lessons learned were planned

and always planned for the worst.

979

: 00:53:12

And we did have something happen.

980

: 00:53:14

We did have to leave.

981

: 00:53:15

And so we were fine, but it was

probably the most stressful time

982

: 00:53:18

on the boat since we've owned it.

983

: 00:53:22

So that's the summary.

984

: 00:53:24

After you left in the night, did

you just continue on to Guam?

985

: 00:53:28

We did.

986

: 00:53:29

We were it was a run at that point.

987

: 00:53:32

The winds were behind us.

988

: 00:53:33

So we just put out a little bit

of our Genoa and it was a very.

989

: 00:53:36

Reasonably comfortable

sail, extremely low stress.

990

: 00:53:39

We were so relieved when I went around

this small island here around the corner.

991

: 00:53:43

We headed north just it was like

releasing a pressure valve because it

992

: 00:53:47

was just, we were worried about I was

worried about an engine failure, you're

993

: 00:53:50

dealing with, very rough conditions and

I was just, you just don't want to at

994

: 00:53:55

least shore is the worst and because

that can really damage your boat.

995

: 00:53:59

You can total your boat on

the least shore like that.

996

: 00:54:01

You're not going to total your boat

at sea if you're sailing it and if

997

: 00:54:04

you're running with it it's very safe

comparatively speaking in my opinion,

998

: 00:54:08

but I just didn't expect it was

going to be getting that back quite

999

: 00:54:11

honestly, and it got worse and worse.

: 1000

00:54:15,376 --> 00:54:19,986

Hey, Mark, I'd like to share with Philip

and anyone else who may not be in an

: 1001

00:54:19,986 --> 00:54:22,346

Antares yet or those watching this who.

: 1002

00:54:22,886 --> 00:54:24,616

And I don't have much sailing experience.

: 1003

00:54:25,136 --> 00:54:27,246

This is not a normal thing.

: 1004

00:54:27,276 --> 00:54:29,746

These are the irregularities.

: 1005

00:54:30,156 --> 00:54:31,896

These are the stories you tell later.

: 1006

00:54:31,896 --> 00:54:35,286

These are not those beautiful

sunsets and beautiful sails.

: 1007

00:54:35,626 --> 00:54:36,606

Stick with it.

: 1008

00:54:36,606 --> 00:54:36,806

It's awesome.

: 1009

00:54:37,776 --> 00:54:40,446

Even though I look at this is okay.

: 1010

00:54:40,446 --> 00:54:41,786

I got to learn how to do that.

: 1011

00:54:41,836 --> 00:54:43,146

Like putting out two anchors.

: 1012

00:54:43,186 --> 00:54:44,496

I got to learn how to do that.

: 1013

00:54:44,836 --> 00:54:47,296

And some of the other tie

downs and everything else.

: 1014

00:54:47,326 --> 00:54:50,586

It lets you know, there is a reason

why you have to learn to do it.

: 1015

00:54:52,236 --> 00:54:57,196

Mark may not be the normal that's

going to happen if you go sailing.

: 1016

00:54:57,196 --> 00:55:01,606

But if you go sailing for a long

time, it would not be normal to not

: 1017

00:55:01,606 --> 00:55:04,496

have one of those circumstances.

: 1018

00:55:05,076 --> 00:55:06,366

Yeah, that's right, Philip.

: 1019

00:55:06,746 --> 00:55:07,266

That's right.

: 1020

00:55:07,786 --> 00:55:09,856

And not knowing, some of these

things that happened to all

: 1021

00:55:09,856 --> 00:55:11,616

of us, we just didn't know.

: 1022

00:55:11,656 --> 00:55:13,446

Fortunately we knew a lot more.

: 1023

00:55:13,486 --> 00:55:16,906

We were okay in this situation,

but you just don't know.

: 1024

00:55:16,936 --> 00:55:17,476

Go ahead, Marshall.

: 1025

00:55:17,476 --> 00:55:18,306

You were going to say something.

: 1026

00:55:19,166 --> 00:55:22,106

Oh, I just want to hear more lessons

learned, things you do differently.

: 1027

00:55:22,656 --> 00:55:23,356

Happened again.

: 1028

00:55:23,676 --> 00:55:28,836

You know what, quite frankly I don't know

if I would do a lot differently, meaning.

: 1029

00:55:29,701 --> 00:55:32,891

We just did not know how bad it

was going to get, and if it was

: 1030

00:55:32,901 --> 00:55:35,521

going to be a typhoon by the

time it reached this island.

: 1031

00:55:35,521 --> 00:55:36,471

We knew it was coming.

: 1032

00:55:36,781 --> 00:55:38,041

We tracked it for days.

: 1033

00:55:38,391 --> 00:55:41,961

And, maybe in hindsight, it would have

been smarter to say, you know what?

: 1034

00:55:42,541 --> 00:55:46,311

Let's just sail, a day

south, get down to Yap.

: 1035

00:55:46,781 --> 00:55:51,151

And we had already scouted some

typhoon holes up these mangroves and in

: 1036

00:55:51,151 --> 00:55:55,271

hindsight, it probably would have been

smarter knowing that weather systems are

: 1037

00:55:55,271 --> 00:55:56,741

not always what they predicted to be.

: 1038

00:55:56,741 --> 00:56:00,361

And it turned out to be stronger

wind conditions but, tropical

: 1039

00:56:00,361 --> 00:56:01,271

storms, a tropical storm.

: 1040

00:56:01,281 --> 00:56:02,541

We knew it was going to be that.

: 1041

00:56:02,821 --> 00:56:04,691

But you can get pretty strong variance.

: 1042

00:56:04,991 --> 00:56:09,551

And literally within, 12 to 24 hours

of the center of it passing across

: 1043

00:56:09,551 --> 00:56:12,611

it, it turned into a typhoon and

whacked the Philippines as a typhoon.

: 1044

00:56:13,091 --> 00:56:14,711

How far from the equator were you?

: 1045

00:56:15,291 --> 00:56:16,491

We're pretty far north.

: 1046

00:56:16,491 --> 00:56:20,211

So we were at about I would

say probably 15 to 18 degrees

: 1047

00:56:20,211 --> 00:56:21,181

north, something like that.

: 1048

00:56:21,961 --> 00:56:22,481

Yeah.

: 1049

00:56:22,821 --> 00:56:25,561

If you're closer to the equator,

if you're on the equator, you

: 1050

00:56:25,561 --> 00:56:26,941

usually don't get those storms.

: 1051

00:56:26,941 --> 00:56:27,251

Do you?

: 1052

00:56:27,281 --> 00:56:27,901

That's right.

: 1053

00:56:27,901 --> 00:56:32,391

So you have a 10 degree north south

band that is pretty free of hurricanes.

: 1054

00:56:32,391 --> 00:56:33,151

That's where I am right now.

: 1055

00:56:33,321 --> 00:56:36,051

Right now I'm at six

degrees north in Malaysia.

: 1056

00:56:36,071 --> 00:56:39,881

We don't get these storms here, but

the Philippines is going to be, we

: 1057

00:56:39,881 --> 00:56:43,421

were probably at 15, maybe 18 degrees,

somewhere in that range north.

: 1058

00:56:43,451 --> 00:56:49,567

And you're in that and all of the type

of typhoons are started in Micronesia.

: 1059

00:56:50,077 --> 00:56:51,707

And they work across Micronesia.

: 1060

00:56:51,707 --> 00:56:55,237

It's wide open just the tolls and then

they build, and then turns into a pretty

: 1061

00:56:55,237 --> 00:56:56,897

big storm and it hits the Philippines.

: 1062

00:56:57,327 --> 00:56:59,377

You've been to the pinga merengue.

: 1063

00:56:59,757 --> 00:57:00,737

No, I have not.

: 1064

00:57:00,777 --> 00:57:01,297

I have not.

: 1065

00:57:01,307 --> 00:57:02,217

That was farther east.

: 1066

00:57:02,217 --> 00:57:02,537

Yeah.

: 1067

00:57:03,327 --> 00:57:03,677

Yeah.

: 1068

00:57:03,987 --> 00:57:04,987

I believe it's farther east.

: 1069

00:57:06,707 --> 00:57:07,577

Have you been there?

: 1070

00:57:08,587 --> 00:57:08,927

Yep.

: 1071

00:57:08,997 --> 00:57:10,137

I lived there for a while.

: 1072

00:57:10,717 --> 00:57:11,517

Oh, you did.

: 1073

00:57:12,237 --> 00:57:14,697

Yeah, I want a boat that

can take me back there.

: 1074

00:57:15,457 --> 00:57:18,647

Yeah, our plan is to

go back to Micronesia.

: 1075

00:57:18,657 --> 00:57:22,827

We absolutely love Micronesia, but

it's only good for 6 months out of the

: 1076

00:57:22,827 --> 00:57:25,217

year just because of this situation.

: 1077

00:57:27,737 --> 00:57:31,297

Okay, so thank you

everybody for participating.

: 1078

00:57:31,297 --> 00:57:32,567

I thought I would share.

: 1079

00:57:32,697 --> 00:57:33,737

He said I could share it.

: 1080

00:57:33,767 --> 00:57:35,827

He was going to hopefully

be on the call to do it.

: 1081

00:57:36,172 --> 00:57:40,692

But Charlie, it must be sailing, but

Charlie is another Atari's owner and

: 1082

00:57:40,702 --> 00:57:45,002

he had an incident that took place

maybe four days ago, three or four

: 1083

00:57:45,002 --> 00:57:46,802

days ago, sailing off of Brazil.

: 1084

00:57:47,757 --> 00:57:54,137

So he shared with me yesterday or two

days ago that they got caught in an

: 1085

00:57:54,147 --> 00:57:56,247

unpredicted low that came through.

: 1086

00:57:56,257 --> 00:58:02,347

He was sailing by himself with memo and

a couple of the crew to Bahia, Brazil.

: 1087

00:58:02,997 --> 00:58:03,957

And they got hit.

: 1088

00:58:04,862 --> 00:58:09,092

With the low they were in

substantial C's, four or five

: 1089

00:58:09,092 --> 00:58:11,952

meter C's 40, 50 knots of wind.

: 1090

00:58:12,262 --> 00:58:16,402

He said that they surfed down

one of the waves at 29 knots was

: 1091

00:58:16,402 --> 00:58:18,082

their fastest that they went down.

: 1092

00:58:18,082 --> 00:58:20,162

That was not planned and not,

they're not bragging about it.

: 1093

00:58:20,162 --> 00:58:21,132

It was pretty scary.

: 1094

00:58:21,542 --> 00:58:26,142

But the worst part about it was they got

hit or they got beamed to a C in that

: 1095

00:58:26,142 --> 00:58:29,202

situation and in a large wave two waves.

: 1096

00:58:29,222 --> 00:58:29,842

One of them.

: 1097

00:58:30,137 --> 00:58:31,767

Completely filled the cockpit.

: 1098

00:58:32,347 --> 00:58:37,337

One of the crew was standing in the

back of the cockpit and got washed

: 1099

00:58:37,347 --> 00:58:40,707

over to the side by the lifelines.

: 1100

00:58:40,707 --> 00:58:44,277

Evidently, he wasn't clipped in,

but he did not get washed over.

: 1101

00:58:44,287 --> 00:58:45,377

Charlie said, thank goodness.

: 1102

00:58:45,377 --> 00:58:46,067

That didn't happen.

: 1103

00:58:46,067 --> 00:58:48,957

it was that rough and I got hit

that hard, but it totally blew out.

: 1104

00:58:49,007 --> 00:58:50,427

the enclosures got blown out.

: 1105

00:58:50,497 --> 00:58:52,967

He said he has some dings on the

inside because the coffee maker

: 1106

00:58:52,967 --> 00:58:57,117

went flying off and hit the wall,

left some marks, but they're fine.

: 1107

00:58:57,427 --> 00:59:00,347

But he said it was the roughest

sea state he's ever been in.

: 1108

00:59:00,357 --> 00:59:02,627

And he did say that memo told

him it was one of the roughest

: 1109

00:59:02,627 --> 00:59:03,767

seas he's ever been in.

: 1110

00:59:04,072 --> 00:59:07,802

And they just got hammered, but he said

the good news is they had a stanchion

: 1111

00:59:07,912 --> 00:59:09,332

that got bent when that wave hit.

: 1112

00:59:09,542 --> 00:59:13,782

It bent a stanchion when the wave hit

him on the side otherwise very minimal

: 1113

00:59:13,782 --> 00:59:17,492

damage and, they're fine, but it was, I

wish he could have been here to tell the

: 1114

00:59:17,492 --> 00:59:18,842

story because it was quite the event.

: 1115

00:59:18,842 --> 00:59:20,772

He said, this has happened

less than a week ago.

: 1116

00:59:22,562 --> 00:59:25,392

So these things happen, the bottom

line is, these things can happen when

: 1117

00:59:25,392 --> 00:59:29,382

you're at sea and thank you everybody

for sharing any additional questions.

: 1118

00:59:29,382 --> 00:59:30,812

Anybody else has possibly.

: 1119

00:59:32,347 --> 00:59:33,997

Yeah, Mark, a quick question for you.

: 1120

00:59:34,007 --> 00:59:37,367

On your dual anchor, did you have both

attached to the same bridle or fashionist?

: 1121

00:59:37,417 --> 00:59:37,867

No.

: 1122

00:59:37,897 --> 00:59:42,367

On my secondary I just had it

cleated off on my starboard cleat.

: 1123

00:59:42,417 --> 00:59:45,207

I didn't even put it on a bridle because

I knew I might need to adjust it.

: 1124

00:59:45,537 --> 00:59:48,907

So I was adjusting it because Even

though the GPS is close, it was never

: 1125

00:59:48,907 --> 00:59:52,597

exact and I was adjusting the tension

when it was loaded up on the primary

: 1126

00:59:52,847 --> 00:59:54,657

to put more load on the secondary.

: 1127

00:59:54,797 --> 00:59:56,727

I was having to adjust it quite a bit.

: 1128

00:59:57,227 --> 00:59:59,457

I was not exact on those

waypoints, even though I had the

: 1129

00:59:59,457 --> 01:00:01,057

waypoints on my GPS and my handle.

: 1130

01:00:01,057 --> 01:00:01,707

I dropped it down.

: 1131

01:00:01,707 --> 01:00:04,957

I dove each of my anchors with my

daughter to make sure everything

: 1132

01:00:04,957 --> 01:00:05,937

was where it needed to be.

: 1133

01:00:06,467 --> 01:00:07,707

But it's never perfect.

: 1134

01:00:08,537 --> 01:00:09,257

Doesn't seem to me.

: 1135

01:00:09,962 --> 01:00:11,242

We are wrapping things up here.

: 1136

01:00:12,172 --> 01:00:14,822

Is there an option on the

Ontario East to have a camera

: 1137

01:00:15,222 --> 01:00:17,562

for the rudders and propellers?

: 1138

01:00:18,892 --> 01:00:21,382

Nobody has done that I'm aware of.

: 1139

01:00:22,382 --> 01:00:23,762

Any other person?

: 1140

01:00:24,722 --> 01:00:27,882

It's a very diplomatic answer

because you can do whatever

: 1141

01:00:27,882 --> 01:00:29,402

you want on an entire ease.

: 1142

01:00:29,732 --> 01:00:30,142

Yeah.

: 1143

01:00:30,602 --> 01:00:32,412

Question is, has anybody done it yet?

: 1144

01:00:33,932 --> 01:00:35,112

I can't seem to select.

: 1145

01:00:35,442 --> 01:00:36,912

Let me get out of presenter mode here.

: 1146

01:00:38,112 --> 01:00:38,312

Yeah.

: 1147

01:00:38,312 --> 01:00:39,562

No one has done it yet.

: 1148

01:00:43,637 --> 01:00:46,207

Are you thinking about an underwater

camera that would show you that

: 1149

01:00:46,587 --> 01:00:47,857

you could see your props, you mean?

: 1150

01:00:48,497 --> 01:00:53,657

Yeah, I don't want to have to

dive to see what's going on.

: 1151

01:00:53,707 --> 01:00:57,667

Here's what I would say to that, Phillip,

and that's, I'm posting up here on the

: 1152

01:00:57,847 --> 01:01:00,297

forum here, this link to the report.

: 1153

01:01:01,347 --> 01:01:02,667

Here's what I would say to that.

: 1154

01:01:03,017 --> 01:01:05,197

I have two underwater cameras on my boat.

: 1155

01:01:05,267 --> 01:01:07,007

I thought it was a cool idea to do that.

: 1156

01:01:07,007 --> 01:01:07,667

So I have them.

: 1157

01:01:07,667 --> 01:01:09,007

I have one bow, one stern.

: 1158

01:01:09,347 --> 01:01:11,047

What I found was they don't work.

: 1159

01:01:11,467 --> 01:01:14,657

For very long because it gets growth

on there and you can't see anything.

: 1160

01:01:15,027 --> 01:01:17,677

So it became more trouble

than it was worth.

: 1161

01:01:17,677 --> 01:01:21,097

And I had two holes, two holes in

my hole that I don't really need.

: 1162

01:01:21,107 --> 01:01:22,187

I've never really used.

: 1163

01:01:22,677 --> 01:01:24,937

But I do have dual cameras on my boat.

: 1164

01:01:25,557 --> 01:01:29,167

And I've never really

used them for very long.

: 1165

01:01:29,217 --> 01:01:30,237

It was cool with the kids.

: 1166

01:01:30,317 --> 01:01:34,307

They could see the sharks with lights

on, but after that, it was not so cool.

: 1167

01:01:34,837 --> 01:01:35,687

Anybody else?

: 1168

01:01:35,707 --> 01:01:36,627

Any other questions?

: 1169

01:01:38,967 --> 01:01:39,767

Hey Jay, how are you?

: 1170

01:01:39,767 --> 01:01:40,407

By the way?

: 1171

01:01:41,447 --> 01:01:42,757

I just expanded my screen.

: 1172

01:01:42,757 --> 01:01:43,567

I can see everybody now.

: 1173

01:01:43,567 --> 01:01:44,747

I could see the first couple of people.

: 1174

01:01:46,157 --> 01:01:47,017

I'm doing fine.

: 1175

01:01:47,177 --> 01:01:51,227

I missed you guys in Annapolis and

Jordan had a lot of great stories.

: 1176

01:01:51,872 --> 01:01:53,162

Yeah, they did great.

: 1177

01:01:53,212 --> 01:01:55,402

We had, they were troopers.

: 1178

01:01:55,402 --> 01:01:56,622

They put up with a lot of talking.

: 1179

01:01:57,192 --> 01:01:57,872

They did great.

: 1180

01:01:59,692 --> 01:02:00,762

And Anna, how are you?

: 1181

01:02:04,122 --> 01:02:05,442

I'm well, thank you.

: 1182

01:02:05,702 --> 01:02:06,462

Oh, that's okay.

: 1183

01:02:06,952 --> 01:02:07,322

Welcome.

: 1184

01:02:07,322 --> 01:02:08,322

Good stories.

: 1185

01:02:08,612 --> 01:02:09,602

Very exciting.

: 1186

01:02:09,612 --> 01:02:13,972

We just for everyone else, hi, I'm

Anna, and my husband Michael is up

: 1187

01:02:13,972 --> 01:02:20,062

here, but we've had our cinnamon for a

little bit more than a year, but since

: 1188

01:02:20,072 --> 01:02:25,512

Mike's parents passed away recently we

had to take a long break from sailing.

: 1189

01:02:25,972 --> 01:02:29,722

But, so hoping to go to the Bahamas soon.

: 1190

01:02:30,352 --> 01:02:30,942

Pretty soon.

: 1191

01:02:31,002 --> 01:02:34,822

So that's going to be our

biggest, like first biggest trip.

: 1192

01:02:35,472 --> 01:02:36,262

That'll be awesome.

: 1193

01:02:36,722 --> 01:02:37,322

You will love it.

: 1194

01:02:37,402 --> 01:02:38,052

You'll do great.

: 1195

01:02:39,267 --> 01:02:41,667

Listen, this has been recorded

as I mentioned before, so we

: 1196

01:02:41,667 --> 01:02:46,077

will have this up on YouTube here

shortly and also on the podcast.

: 1197

01:02:46,077 --> 01:02:48,297

So thank you everybody for participating.

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Great to see some of you haven't seen

in a long time to meet some of you

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as well, and we will call it a night.

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Thank you guys.

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Bye.